# 8.5: Do you need a weathervane to see which way the wind blows?

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Meteorologists talk of northeasterlies and southerlies when they describe winds. These terms designate directions that the winds * come from*. But when we think about the dynamic processes that cause the wind, we use the conventions for direction that are common in mathematics and in coordinate systems like the Cartesian coordinate system. The conversion between the two conventions—math and meteorology—is not simple. However, we will show you a simple way to do the conversion (see the second figure below).

Weathervane. Credit: __Justin Otto__ via flickr

## Math Wind Convention

The wind vector is given by ** U** =

**u +**

**i****v +**

**j****w**

**k****The wind vector points to the direction the wind**

**.***.*

*is going*The subscript “H” will be used to denote horizontal vectors, such as the horizontal velocity, *U**_{H} = i u + j v * (though note that sometimes the symbols

*,*

**V**

**v**_{H}, and

*will be used to denote the horizontal velocity). The magnitude of*

**v****is**

*U*_{H}*(*

*U*_{H}=

*u*^{2}

*+ v*^{2})

^{1/2}. The

**αα**

*math wind angle,**-axis, so that tan(αα*

*x**and the angle increases counterclockwise as the direction moves from the eastward*

*= v/u**-axis (αα = 0*

*x*^{o}) to the northward

*-axis (αα = 90*

*y*^{o}) .

## Meteorology Wind Convention

In this station weather plot, the wind is blowing from the southwest. Credit: NOAA National Weather Service

The meteorology wind convention is often used in meteorology, including station weather plots. The wind vector points to the direction the wind * is coming from*. The angle is denoted by delta, δ, which has the following directions:

direction wind is coming from | angle \(\delta\) |
---|---|

north (northerlies or southward) | 0^{o} |

east (easterlies or westward) | 90^{o} |

south (southerlies or northward) | 180^{o} |

west (westerlies or eastward) | 270^{o} |

## Relationship Between Math and Meteorology Wind Conventions

Meteorology angles, designated by δδ* y*) axis. Math angles, designated by αα , increase counterclockwise from the east (

*) axis.*

*x*Diagram for converting between meteorology and math wind directions for winds blowing from three different directions. Note that the barbs on the wind line point toward the direction the wind is blowing from. In this diagram, we have extended the line past the center of the axis to indicate the direction that the wind is blowing to because this is the line needed for the math angle. Credit: W. Brune

In the diagram on the left, the wind is southwesterly, the meteorology angle (measured clockwise from the north or y-axis) \(\delta=225^{\circ}\), , and the math angle (measured counterclockwise from the east or x-axis) \(\alpha=45^{\circ}\). If the wind is northerly (southward), the wind vane points to the north, the wind blows to the south, \(\delta=0^{\circ},\) and \(\alpha=270^{\circ} .\) If the wind is westerly (eastward), \(\delta=270^{\circ},\) and \(\alpha=0^{\circ}\).

Note that in all cases, we can describe the relationship between the math and the meteorology angles as:

**m****a****t****h** **a****n****g****l****e** = **\(270^{\circ}\)** − **m****e****t****e****o****r****o****l****o****g****y** **a****n****g****l****e**

When the meteorology angle is greater than 270^{o}, the math angle will be negative but correct. However, to make the math angle positive, simply add 360^{o}.

Drawing a figure like those shown in the figure above often helps when you are trying to do the conversion. The following video (2:17) explains the conversion between meteorology and math wind angles using the figure above.

Wind Meteo Math

**Click here for transcript of the Wind Meteo Math video.**-
Meteorology description and wind direction originates from the compass and facing into the wind, where the wind comes from. The mathematical description of wind direction is based on the Cartesian xy grid and tracks the direction that the wind is going. We need to know both. Because the meteorology description, or medial angle, is used in the station weather plot. And we need the mathematical description, or math angle, for dynamics and a numerical weather prediction. Let's look at one example that relates the meteorology and math involves. First note that the grids are related, with positive x corresponding to east and positive y corresponding to north. Now let's add a wind, in this case a wind from the northeast, or northeasterly. From station weather plot the wind is from the northeast. Normally the wind bar would end in the center with a description of cloud cover. But we extend it past the center, toward the direction the wind is blowing, since that would be how we would draw the line and describe the wind direction in the mathematical xy coordinate system. The meteorology angle is measured clockwise from the north axis, just as it is for a compass-- 0, 90, 180, 270, 360, which is the same as 0. The math angle is measured counterclockwise from the x, or east, axis-- 0, 90, 180, 270, 360 or 0. It turns out that the math angle equals 270 degrees minus the meteorology angle. And also therefore the meteorology angle equals 270 degrees minus the math angle. So for this case that we've drawn here the meteorology angle equals 45 degrees. So the math angle equals 270 minus 45, which is 225 degrees. The meteorology angle is drawn clockwise. And the math angle as drawn counterclockwise. If the resulting angle is negative, simply add 360 degrees to make it positive.